Zero, ziltch feeding issues. (I use the term “petals” to refer to the six pieces of a hollowpoint bullet that would nominally peel back on impact to make the much larger diameter bullet.). What a bunch of Chicken poo! Try “Detroit Ammunition” which produce a “Nahpatrone” or Near Cartridge (i.e. “I bet that the terminal performance of .300 Blackout is spectacular, on chickens.”, (Just bust’in on ya, Josh. Meanwhile, there are more than 1.5 million suppressors in circulation, with .300 BLK going a long way to grow that pool. Just as he stated, it’s a fantastic and very utilitarian round…I have 3 bolt actions, 3 Ars in the caliber….I cast and reload my own and can get a box of 100 put together for 8 USD …that’s 8¢ per pop…2 moa accuracy with that load and excellent expansion at 50 yards …so perfect for Louisiana deer hunting, plinking, defense. Decisions, decisions. Using a fat 200-grain bullet, the 7.82x38mm cartridge generated a velocity of just ~1,000 feet per second. Different strokes, to each his own, etc……Too bad everyone can’t have their own opinion and do what they want without dimwits like you telling everybody else they are wrong and stupid because they do things differently than you. Please, donate now to the Church of Eternal Firepower in the ONE TRUE CALIBER of your choice, that you already keep in your very own gun collection at home. Built a blackout “pistol” while waiting for my form 4 to clear. LOL! Mr Kalashnakov himself forsaw the coming transition to more powerful, higher velocity cartridges when he redesigned the AK-47 into the AK-74. I was determined to get 4000+fps like a Swift, and I did. May the Healing Light of the Almighty Muzzle Flash shine brightly upon you all. 308>300blk velocity, ft lbs, range, proven battle cartridge that %100 takes care of business. Ifyou want to shoot .30 caliber bullets, move up to a larger platform that can shoot a real .30 caliber such as .308, 30-06 or .300 Win Mag. Thanks for the topic. Supposedly, you’re able to load the .300 Blackout with a wide range of bullets – from the very light to the 220’s. * – dead is dead, .22LR or .500 Nitro Express! I know you can “under stabilize” a bullet but can you “over stabilize” one? Detractors say it has poor bullet drop trajectory and spotty accuracy, but they are profoundly wrong in their idea of what makes a round desirable and successful. And JWT can like his boutique weapons bc this is America. So….9mm subsonic is likely going to be something in the 148gr weight range with a reduced load/integrally suppressed barrel to force the projectile to subsonic velocity, vs a 208-240gr projectile in the blackout. Limited numbers. Bullet technology in general improved as a result of the 300 BLK due to the fact that it has a muzzle velocity range of anywhere from 800 fps up to 2,800 fps. Beware, this 1-6x variable power scope with the infamous ACSS reticle, is advertised as designed to work equally well with either 300 BLK or 7.62×39: I bet that the terminal performance of .300 Blackout is spectacular, on chickens. Best yet, other than Magpul hardware and mags, they produce just about everything in-house with excellent quality control, which is an outstanding deal when you consider you can usually get into one of these for about $800. I don’t really care about the ballistics and the co efficient of whatever. The 300 Blackout is a fully mature, commonly available cartridge that allows the shooter to have a vast range of options as far as end use. Further, since the .300 works in a regular AR mag, most standard AR-15s can quickly utilize the round after nothing more than a swap of the upper receiver. Lehigh Defense makes a 78gr load that hits that high velocity from a standard 16” barrel and I had no issues keeping up with .308 rifles at 500m. In the end, the IMP– later classified as the GUU-4/P by the Air Force– was not adopted and faded into history. Shouldn’t the entire rifle be blacked out? Robert Silvers of suppressor maker Advanced Armament Company– a brilliant outfit that yielded some of the most important development in quiet time and eventually spun off the legendary John Hollister who went on to form Sig Sauer’s suppressor division– in a 2012 interview confirmed that AAC’s in-house development of the .300 Blackout began in 2009 as a result of a very specific requirement for an unnamed client that was seeking a .30 caliber AR-style platform that was reliable and suppressor-ready. My thought back when 300BLK was first becoming a darling of the community was that it’d only really take off if/when suppressors were decriminalized. The lighter/est bullets can actually come apart in flight if you really push them hard with a fast twist. “…but is a .300 Blackout fan to have multiple uppers to switch on/off the lower to use this range of bullets?”. The .300 Blackout has a good reputation for cycling the bolt reliably when using subsonic ammo and when used in short barreled rifles. I experienced exactly that back in about 1980 in a .22-250. I think you win the award for most comically incorrect comment of the year (so far). Without a Suppressor? All crude jesting aside, unless you are wanting to shoot subsonic rounds from a short barrelled weapon with a suppressor, there is not much point to having the cartridge. The strength of 300 BLK – interchangeability with existing AR mags – brings IMO its biggest downside that it can be chambered into a 5.56 barrel to cause a catastrophic disassembly. That much is absolutely true. That was the day I gave up on hyper velocity, and settled into other realms of performance. “I really didn’t care about suppressors or blackout until I got a chance to shoot one. And it proves itself worthy of that honor. First, that’s a very nice looking Ameraucana hen there! A buddy of mine has a half-dozen of those exotic-plumage chickens as backyard pets, and his wife *loves* the clucking bastards…), If you used a 7.62x54R on a Mosin with a bayonet, you could probably cook them at the same time too…. The 300 Blackout is a revolutionary round that is rather new in the world of bullets and cartridges. The 7.62×39 does not play nicely with the AR-15/M-16 platform due the the shoulder angle on that round. The .308 Win (7.62×51) AR10 sitting in my safe with a full (20 round) mag and scope in place, scales an even 11 pounds! Further, while the Whisper had never caught on, 2010 was a much different time as ATF records show that 285,087 silencers were in circulation then, a huge increase from past years. I have (I believe) a 1:8 8″ 300 Blackout barrel. However, even I, with my middle-aged eyes, can EASILY tell the difference between a 300 Blackout cartridge and a 5.56 cartridge, so there’s no excuse for ANYONE to confuse the .300 Blackout with 5.56! that’s fantastic. When it comes to modern pump-action shotguns, two models immediately stand atop the heap–, What’s the Difference Between an AR-10 and an AR-15 rifle? .44 mag bullet launched at 2500fps and scale down a bit. Developed by Advanced Armament Corporation (AAC), the 300 AAC Blackout, or 300 BLK, can be fired from a standard 5.56mm AR simply by changing out the barrel. “One Twist” cannot rule them all, as you have noted. A great thing is that the 300 BLK has extraordinary system life due to lower operating pressures and, as a result, requires lower lifetime maintenance. I also recently found a used FDE Ruger Ranch rifle in 300blk that I’m excited about giving a try this year. Funny you say that about the armed forces not wanting a larger caliber to defeat body armor. Oh JWT, why don’t you stick to what you know? They require very little maintenance, and selling the eggs you don’t eat, will cover the feed easily. Please forgive me for I have sinned (in the olden days of Robin Hood style archery competitions, if you shot and missed it was called a “sin”, a miss, an error, you get the idea), the 7.62×33 is indeed the .30 Carbine, as per the infamous M1 carbine of WWII fame, and not the .30-30 of lever action fame at all. I reload, so I pump it out cheap and can shoot all day. What? This holds true for both suppressed and unsuppressed .300 platforms. One is a 10.5″ pistol AR the other a standard 16″ rifle. So to rehash, I would rather shoot 308 for the same exact price as 300blk. Anyway there are plenty of other cartridges available that do what 300 does. The 6 Best Gun Safes, Cabinets, & Lockers. I prefer an AK for short range 30 caliber applications, but that’s just a personal choice. To reference the movie CHICKEN RUN, I do not make pies out of them. I’m looking at getting a silencer for that pistol as my next purchase. Or to break it down further since this is appearing really complicated for some reason to understand. and WOLF and TULA already manufacture this Russian cartridge. Rainier Arms – Elite 300 Blackout rifles, SBRs and pistols. I actually bought that for my kid it will be his youth deer rifle in a few years. I personally was wondering where I could get the bakalite AR mags. As such, few manufacturers chambered rifles for .300 Whisper such as the short-lived Loki Fenrir– although Smith & Wesson did produce a short run of M&P-15s chambered for the cartridge. For home defense, I assume defensive ammo (read: expensive whatever the caliber, and you aren’t going to stockpile 1k rounds). It uses a 35mm case with a 30 caliber projectile. Is there much difference in sound between 9mm, subsonic 300 Blk, Supersonic 300Blk or 5.56 out of a 7 1/2 inch AR pistol? I was never an AR fan until one “kinda” fell into my lap. A serviceable one can be had for the price of a Glock. For example, the Lyman manual has loads for cast bullets using Accurate #5744 out of a .30-06 that run about that velocity. I told you I like fixed 4 power scopes, especially for rounds like the .300 Blackout. Thanks again for giving me something else to look at! I find that I ruffle more than a few feathers when I talk about AR cartridges. galil, valmet, daewoo, yeah. My 336BL is only 18-1/2″ but from what I’ve heard the micro-groove rifling nets higher MVs. We may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. Start with RIT orange dye and FDE Magpul mags. You’d have to be blind as a bat to get those two cartridges confused. My oldest boy’s first FFA critter was a turkey, and he ended up taking Grand Champion for the breed at the State Fair back in 2000. Someone who chooses 6.5 Grendel over 6.8 SPC usually has their reasons for it, and it works the other way around as well. We put the micrometer to it and got out a book and it was definitely Blackout. My x39 upper is great and all, but I hate that it needs specific magazines that are impossible to find locally above 5 rounds. All rights reserved. The dimensions of the 300 BLK cartridge are the same as the.300 Whisper, which preceded it. I am may be wrong, but far as I know, no one is marketing a subsonic 5.56/.223 defensive projectile that has better wound performance than 9mm or 300blk, and what goes for the 9mm at 148gr vs 300blk goes double for pretty much any projectile mass you can find in 5.56/.223. This was lower than the speed of sound, which is around 1125 fps, thus eliminating the supersonic “crack” created by the bullet, aiding in better suppressing the round. Kyrakushin led the design department in creating the 74. 300 BLK ammunition cannot be used in a … “its biggest downside that it can be chambered into a 5.56 barrel to cause a catastrophic disassembly.”, That’s not an argument against the cartridge, so much an argument against carelessness, stupidity, or poor eyesight. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. in 1993, the ATF only logged 310 Form 1s to produce NFA-registered devices such as suppressors, Commercial Centerfire Pistol Pressure and Velocity Performance Standards, Mossberg 500 vs. Remington 870: A Comparison. Roman, to be clear, the DoD is saying flat out, in a lot of different publications, that they will field a 6.8 caliber bullet as a standard service rifle. … The 300blk is the most consequential AR caliber developed since the 5.56 was adopted. The round was not designed for optimized performance in medium range combat as well as weight savings over the M43 cartridge. We kick … 0. An evil temptation designed to lead the flock of Eternal Firepower away from the truth and salvation of True Caliber Purity, and to sinfully dilute and pollute the Holy Mandate of Proper Caliber Devotion. There are multiple choices for the 300. I’ve got 556 (tommybuilt T36 is awesome, check out atlantic firearms), 6.8 ACR, and an MDR in 308. If you’re shooting the new VLD solids, then I don’t think there would be much of an issue. Someone once told me that .300 Blackout is the most convenient way to shoot 7.62x39mm in an AR type rifle. Personally, I run Blue Dot (a medium pistol powder) in .22-250 for a reduced load close-range groundhog round at 2500fps, and that’s worked very well! Have a nice day. You can sing praises all you want of 300blk but it is in no way is comparable to 308. The ballistics are good and I built a 10” barreled pistol for a truck gun. even one at 265 paces. Super excited! Hunting and self defense ammo is usually more expensive anyway and you usually don’t fire a ton of it, but the cost of plinking ammo means I can only shoot it a little before switching off to cheaper 5.56. Hmm. I stand by my assertion that the US Military will transition to a more powerful rifle. The 300 BLK is today’s best AR cartridge for a number of reasons, but there’s a thick fog of misinformation about the caliber to get past. But for some reason the ammo people have ignored the fact that there is a market for various bullet weights for the 7.62. .300BLK is an outgrow of the 300 Whisper, designed to run suppressed. The 300 Blackout (300 BLK) was designed by Remington/AAC to create a reliable, compact .30 caliber round for the AR platform that uses a standard bolt and magazine. 300 Blackout is also a round commonly used for hunting as well. I actually don’t think it makes sense, and that he Mk262 does what we need it to. Easy on the back, each comes in at just 6-pounds. When you say, “Barrett,” most people think of their long-range .50-caliber BMG rifles, but the Tennessee-based company also cranks out a variety of popular AR platforms, with their high-quality direct-impingement REC7 DI models being front and center. The “click” intrigued me and the “thump” downrange sold me. There are no constraints to bullet weight. Physics are a hell of a thing. It’s designed for use in short barrels and with a suppressor. I retreated to the world of chickens as a change of pace from my routine revolving around firearms. Would take any game in North America easily. I’m lying about owning one since they don’t make them. Subsonic Bullet) in various calibers. Suggesting that these roughly similar sized calibers could be roughly similar ballistically is considered Heresy, and is thus grounds for Expulsion and Excommunication from the Holy Church of Eternal Firepower. LOL! but that vz58 though. Kabooms are certainly a possibility, though I think the number of incidents are actually low. It also makes it harder to justify an expensive rifle like the b&t APC300 because I don’t want to have to get a second one in 556 or not use it regularly. It’s not a specific thing that makes it fantastic, it’s all the specific things combined! No other round I know of can be as flexible and utilitarian…. These limitations resulted in extraordinary innovation. Josh you’re correct about everything you’ve written. Peace. Magnification: 1 … The 7.62 is great for plinking around when not concerned about noise or barrel length. Buuuuttt… I know as a gunsmith who has worked on other .30 caliber rifles that this range of bullets needs different twists to properly stabilize this range of bullet weights/lengths. The 300 Blackout derives most of its following from the fact that it can fire a powerful round from a shortened barrel with either subsonic or supersonic ammunition. All in all, the foundational idea of the 300 BLK was indeed a short-range, short-barreled weapon for combat use. Generally, I’m not pushing the pressure on my loads and usually I’ll stick with an easy shooting load. Honest question, not calling you out-but I read somewhere that the Army is considering a 6.8…? Initially intended as a light and short weapon for close quarters use,.300 Blackout guns are perfect home defense or for duty use as a cruiser rifle. I also shoot recreationally and competitively, and whether at the range for work or play, I’m always seem to hear people arguing over which caliber is the best, which brand could beat everyone else’s, and which guns are for those of dubious wrist strength/lack of chest hair. The next US army standard rifle round will be in 6.8. A ready-to-go workhorse of an AR available in .300BLK from BCM. Anyways, thanks for replying! Faxon Firearms makes some of the best AR barrels in general and their 300 BLK barrels are my favorite for the cartridge. Which would be easier on my ears 9mm, subsonic 300 blk or 5.56? However, I doubt it will be a 6.8SPC/6.8SPCII. I have chicken-keeping friends who have only specialty breeds, and while a Whiting True Blue is a nice bird, it’s nowhere near as hardy as the Americana, and both lay beautiful blue eggs. Big fan of .300blk for SBRs. At the time, Navy SEALs and Army Delta operators were utilizing the Heckler & Koch MP5-SD, an integrally suppressed 9mm submachine gun, for close-in action at bad-breath distances. AR uppers are fairly cost-effective. Chambered in .300 Whisper but will also safely fire .300 AAC Blackout. Time to Upgrade to the 7.6 Creedmoor (7.85×51.18), which fired from the .308 Winchester…. I can afford to shoot what I got and that’s not a .300 Blackout. 3,000 square feet of (literally!) Biggest lesson I learned was knowing when a chore was above your “pay grade”! I like the 7.62×39 better than the 300. “Brown” is not the color I would choose to describe it. The Church of Make Whatever You Happen To Have Work, or something similar. It is meant for hard and prolonged use, having double aluminum heat shields on the handguard, Type III hard-coat anodizing, and extended feed ramps. With coyotes, its actually better than 5.56. It case length of 51mm and uses a 30 caliber projectile. Thanks for the article! This heretical object most obviously _must_ be a tool of the devil, an evil device created solely to divide and confuse the masses. Must’ve happened in the last year or so. Importantly, LMT has been in the .30-caliber AR game since back in the .300 Whisper days, so they know how to play. The company’s MK116 long-stroke piston action rifles are available in at least four different mods chambered in .300 BLK with options to include KeyMod or Magpul M-LOK handguards, Bravo Company PNT or Zev SSR triggers, and forged or lightweight uppers. In addition to writing, I work professionally as an industry consultant, with many products reviewed here being the direct result of my behind-the-scenes efforts. excellent idea whoever came up with this nifty little number. And, I’ve read of a number of people using Red Dot (a very fast pistol powder that’s bulky) for the same purpose, but lower velocities. For self defense I keep it loaded with Federal’s 125gr SJHP ‘varmint’ round. Or maybe they are still charging these exorbitant prices to pay for tooling….from 10 years ago. 300 Blackout is optimized for suppressed fire with heavy bullet subsonic loads but can also be used with supersonic ammunition when extra range is needed.
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